quick question--what goes in this hole in the intake base?

[cort351w]

Hey everybody, this is my first post here. Anyway, I'm trying to get my car running again, but this is the first time I've taken stuff apart and I've found that I didn't label things as well as I should have.

You know how the runners bolt to the base with two front runners and two rear runners on each side? There is a threaded hole on the driver's side of my intake base, directly to the rear of front two runners. The hole is just about level with the top of the runner flange. I can't remember what goes in this hole. The hole is about the same size as the hole in the bottom of the plenum for the temperature sensor. I can't find a picture in Chilton's or in any of my camaro/firebird books

Do you know what goes in this hole in the intake?

[RobP]

I'm thinking a nipple belongs there for the PVC hose to the driver side valve cover.

[86IROC]

Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner! :D I have been asked that question by a few other people recently. Why do you people take them out?

[cort351w]

I siamesed my plenum and upper runners, then had the TPI and valve covers powder coated. For this reason, I removed the PCV. I'm sorry for the dumb question--it really is dumb. I've had to ask several of these questions lately. I was too embarrassed to put another one up at thirdgen.org so I tried you guys. It looks like you tolerate some stupid questions also smile.gif . Anyway, thanks for the info.

On second thought, maybe I'm dumb: "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people." --Mr. Garrison :D

[WS6 VERT]

Welcome to the board!

Nice qoute, you'll fit in nicely here.

There really are no stupid questions. What comes naturally for some, isn't so for others. I'm good w/ cars, and I suck w/ alot of other stuff. Thats how the barter system works. Do a job for me, I'll do a job for you.

So ask away. Really, thats the whole purpose of the Tech board, no matter how simple or complex, somebody here should be able to help. :D

[86IROC]

By no means was I calling you dumb, was just curious as to why you would remove that fitting.

[cort351w]

Originally posted by 86IROC:
By no means was I calling you dumb, was just curious as to why you would remove that fitting.I was joking. I just like that quote, mostly :D

[Pantera61]

Welcome aboard!!!

[Jeremey]

Hey Cort, whats up with the 351w? Please dont tell me it stands for 351 windsor.

[irocbsa]

Uh oh, I think it may........... And we can't have any of that now can we? smile.gif

[ April 22, 2002, 15:50: Message edited by: irocbsa ]

[cort351w]

Yeah, man--351W! That's the motor in the Cobra in sig that my dad and I built. That car is so sweet! We built it from summer 2000 to January 2002. It's nice. It has a 351W (mystery motor--we had a local engine shop build it for us and somehow all information on the build up got "lost." Don't even get me started on that, though). Besides what you can see with the VC off, we don't know much about what's in the motor. It behaves well, though--it revs so much more freely than my dad's Z06 (which is fairly decent itself). The motor never feels like it's working hard, whether it's at 2000 or 5500 rpm. I don't know how much power it's making and my dad is avoiding dynoing the car. We were told that the motor would make around 400 hp. (I knew much, much, much less about cars when I started on the Cobra and would do a lot of stuff differently were I building it again) Anyway, 400 hp is BS!! The car is fairly quick, but not same-power-as-the-Z06-but-700 lbs-lighter quick. (Cobra only weighs 2400 lbs!) For whatver power it's making, I think that we could have saved a bit of weight and gotten the same power with a 302. Some stickier tires and smaller wheels would help straight line traction a lot though. Anyway, it's a very cool car and I definitely proud to say that my dad and I built it (except for the motor).

I just wish that my Formula didn't have a 305. Oh well--I wanted a stick shift.

[RobP]

BLING BLING

[Jeremey]

I thought that is what it stood for. As for 351w's my buddies havent had much luck with them. They keep locking up oil pumps, twisting the oil pump drive shaft in two, and shearing the teeth off of the distributor and cam. We changed cams, distributors, and oil pumps in my buddy's stang 3 times in one week. He went back with a 302 the next month. We thought it was trash in the oil pump locking them up. He called a bunch of people and even took it to Horeseplay, a local mustang shop, and they couldnt figure it out. Someone told me the 351w has a clearance problem with the distrb. and cam gears. We always thought it was just his motor until we came across 3 other people with the same problem.
By the way, advertising fords on a Chevy/Poncho board isnt a good idea. You could end up catching alot of flak over it.

[cort351w]

Some times I do. A lot of people just think it's cool, though. There is at least one other Shelby replica at ls1.com. His is Factory Five Racing; mine is Lone Star Classics. His car is really something, though--he has a 460, taken to 514! Anyway, I have been using that name since before I was ever on any tech sites, and I don't want to have to remember different names for different sites. On most sites I use a little Cobra picture as my avatar, but there don't seem to be avatars here. As for the 351's, they were used in trucks for years and in the Saleen S351 as well as the 95 Cobra R. Many people at corral.net have swapped over to 351's in their fox bodies. I don't know what to tell you.

[LL6]

Not meant to be a flame, but from a ways back I have been under the impression that the 351W was the less desirable of the 351s. The Cleveland being the one that was the shiznit.

What made the Windsor more popular was the cylinder heads interchanged with the 302 or something like that, and/or the 351W swaps easier into Fox-body stangs than the Cleveland.

Give me the latest.

[cort351w]

In stock form, the 351C and Boss 302 are much better peformers than the Windsor versions. However, there is absolutely no aftermarket for the Cleveland motors. The Windsor 302/5.0 and 351 have a very extensive aftermarket as we all know, second maybe only to sbc aftermarket. And yeah, since the 351 is basically just a 302/5.0 with taller deck height, heads, cams, lots of parts fit both 5.0's and 351W's. We have a 302 cam in our 351 (kind of goofy although not necessarilly bad decision on the part of the builder and I was ignorant at the time). From what I can tell, no one really uses the Cleveland motors unless they are restoring a car that came with a Cleveland. There aren't that many of them, so it makes sense to keep them in those cars anyway. Sorry to respond every other post. I have the email notification turned on and I keep seeing the posts and having something to say.

[ April 23, 2002, 14:52: Message edited by: cort351w ]

[irocbsa]

That's the point of a message board. :D